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Metalcore and all subgenres need a lot of work

There are tech metal pages that have many vague references to some types of metal and core genres. I finished redid the page and turned it into a technical death metal page. In the process I have found many bands that match deathcore, mathcore, noisecore, technical metalcore, progressive metalcore or all of the above. All subgenres are closely related. Is there anyone on this project who wants to help me organize/fix/fix all those pages? - Daevin 19:34, April 29, 2006 (UTC)

Is not that part of Wikipedia: WikiProject Metal? Dwnsjane2 02:11, May 7, 2006 (UTC)

well, yes, but there is a strong punk effect in metalcore. But because metalcore sucks (IMO) and I never listen to it, I really can not help. The Ungovernable Force 06:41, May 7, 2006 (UTC)

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Project to work

So, what should we devote our energy first? There are many things to clean, and many POV concepts about what punk is and are not circulating on Wikipedia. Sometimes it seems that many people are unaware of the true diversity of punk, from New Wave to post-punk to even protopunk and the first wave of New York.

Personally I want to devote a lot of time to The Clash and Joy Division, because I know very little about the subjects and resources available to make those articles really great. Also, I really want to solve this confusing genre debate going on Green Day (where we can not even use the sentence "rock band" int the first sentence because it might cause a stir). However, I am happy to first work on a project that we can all contribute and work together to drastically improve. WesleyDodds 03:40, April 20, 2006 (UTC)

Emo articles have caused friction because representing bands that although they may not emo, have been labeled as such, so it can be said that because they look emo then they are. green day as a whole is seen as a punk rock band, so why not leave them that way. If the emo wiki article goes against the original emo enthusiasts, and considering the fact that they are competing definitions then why should we try and protect the essentialist arguments from people who say green days are not punk (while also respecting their opinions as part of the punk ideology section? Artoftheusername 21/04/06

I noticed the debate that occurred on the Emo page. Emo, pop punk, and even post-hardcore evoke much of the debate that often degenerates back and forth.

What is important to consider in the case of emo is what the term "Emo" has changed. Not every emo band has recently listened to the Rites of Spring; why should they when they can listen to Sunny Day Real Estate or Jimmy Eat World? This is one thing to bemoan emo modern that supports emo tru, but bands like The Used and so on have been called emo for years at this time. At some point one has to let go.

Of course, in the quote theory defeats all. If something like Allmusic.com or Rolling Stone or Spin magazine calls an emo band, then it might be safe to include it in the emo category. If any object is classified, point to a source that can be discussed and analyzed. There was an article about emo from the Guitar World around 2000 that I planned to work on in the article immediately, so if anyone else can get printed references to this controversial genre, please let everyone know. WesleyDodds 03:54, April 22, 2006 (UTC)

The way to clean it up is to show that some emo fans do not consider the new bands as emo (give them a quote of course). Just yesterday I was talking to someone who thought Rancid was a punk crust. Obviously there are some major differences in genre interpretation. Uncontrollable Strength 05:22, April 22, 2006 (UTC)

I intend to do more cleaning than others because of the many articles that POV has written like fanzine features. Oldelpaso 19:13, April 26, 2006 (UTC)

I have worked in the Ramones extensively; I really hate Reference & amp; The Tribut Section, which is constantly getting irrelevant information added into it (so * what * if blink 182 has a song with a count of "1-2-3-4", or an unmarked Brazilian band having a song that checks a band?), and the opening paragraph, which I have completely changed now.

I've tried to expand the Glam punk article, which is recommended to be fixed on the project page, still need some work. - Deathrocker 02:47, June 18, 2006 (UTC)

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murdercore?

I see that Murdercore was recently created. it does not specifically mention punk, but has a hardcore punk footer template. is this a valid term or food for WP: AFD? --MilkMiruku 18:22, April 21, 2006 (UTC)

It sounds really fake, especially since the only band referenced does not have a page.

While we're there, there's something very suspicious about blues punk as an article. WesleyDodds 19:44, April 21, 2006 (UTC)

Both look fake. Uncontrollable Strength 05:23, April 22, 2006 (UTC)

Six Feet Ditch is known as Murdercore. - Unmarked comments previously added by 88.197.178.237 (talk) 19:31, March 18, 2008 (UTC)

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Dead Kennedys astroturfing

There are astroturfing spots in Dead Kennedys, Jello Biafra, East Bay Ray, and Alternative Tentacles... thought it might be something that requires a more unbiased eye on it. I have my personal theories about the entire subject of Dead Kennedys but those opinions are not included in the Wikipedia article... These articles can use more eyes to observe biases on both sides. Rewriting the right Tentacle Alternative would be fun too. Xinit 18:02, May 7, 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 40 - Wikipedia

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Introducing Xsxex

Hi im a new participant in WikiProject PRM (should be said WikiProject Punk Rock Music at the top instead of "WikiProject Punk music (part)"... by the way ya ive been working on a number of articles, especially in Pop punk I see that Punk pop was diverted to Pop punk which is OK, but there is some information there that can be added to Pop punk, which when I look through it, I can not find, also please explain Xsxex astroturfing 20:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

"Astroturfing" is a simulation of a grassroots effort that is actually controlled by a top-down organization. As for pop punk, have it. Brave! - Jmabel | Talk 21:32, July 9, 2006 (UTC)

See astroturfing.

This is an encyclopedia you know ;-) Oldelpaso 17:39, July 10, 2006 (UTC)

Okay! yes it's been quite a while since July 3, cool yes I think pop punk articles have come a long way, can still use some good work and look up, but it's definitely much better than where it is. what do you think? Also I have an article in the Removal of Poteta Beta Theta Reviews section, which is linked to the punk house now and it looks like the decision reached at the Elimination Review may affect both articles. I appreciate another opinion on this issue. Some users, apparently, even question the propriety of a punk house article. I think that as a WikiProject Punk music group we should support articles about punk homes, at least, and then recommend some kind of criteria for separate articles about certain punk homes. Another option mentioned is having a paragraph about a particular punk house that is famous in punk house articles and does not have a separate page for them. I will post this on the front page of WikiProject PM. thanks. Here's a link to the TBP Removal Review Discussion. Scroll down to post, there are about 10 responses so far. Xsxex 14:22, August 24, 2006 (UTC)

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Template: Punk and punk genre

Recently the entire genre has been added to Template: Punk. While it's great to make a complete list of punk rock subgenres, I have to ask: how many of these genres are legitimate, and how many are just everyday terms for a particular sound? For example, honky punk basically has nothing on the page, and looks like a neologism. From the looks of it, some of these pages can stand to be merged, diverted, or deleted. WesleyDodds 21:28, July 17, 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a typo "hockey puck"... - 05:55, July 22, 2006 (UTC)

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Should we delete username in Redlink Participant List ??

please discuss, will this redlink experience rejuvinate? Xsxex 22:55, July 28, 2006 (UTC)

any opinions here? discussion? Xsxex 15:30, July 30, 2006 (UTC)

Not really, some users do not have user pages (Users: Jeffrey O. Gustafson? do not have them and they are admin). Now, two of them have no contribution after adding their name (one just contributed here) and the rest have not contributed at least a month. Might move to the section titled "Inactive Participant" (and do the same for others who have not contributed to wikipedia for a while. The Unable to control Force 05:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, if required it is an option to take, as per many other WikiProjects. Oldelpaso 19:38, July 31, 2006 (UTC)

What does "contribution here" mean? One can easily work on articles related to punk without commenting on the WikiProject page. - Jmabel | Talk 21:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I see all the edits they have made and this is the only page they have edited. The Uncontrollable Forced 21:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, yes, I may also tend to remove someone who only edits Wikipedia after a month or so that claims to be part of the project. - Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree to create an "active" user list. It seemed to do the job. Besides, if we're really crazy, we can search the history of the page we're working on and try to encourage users to join us? These user names can also enter the list of "users who have contributed" to an actual punk music article. Xsxex 17:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, should the username be sorted alphabetically? There is a precedent in Wikipedia: WikiProject hip hop. More than that, they actually have their user list on a separate page. Should we follow that approach too? Xsxex 17:44, August 8, 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I moved to create a list of usernames that are not active and also list alphabetically that we currently have. Support? Counterpoints? Xsxex 19:21, August 24, 2006 (UTC)
- Fine by me. - Jmabel | Talk 05:03, August 27, 2006 (UTC)
  - Okay. is going. Xsxex 14:29, August 28, 2006 (UTC)

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Pop Punk Revival Discussion Merge

In this paper, I have sent a message to every user on our Participant List... this should generate more responses there, plus give us the opportunity to meet more each other.. words, Ãƒ,: D Xsxex 23:48, July 28, 2006 (UTC)

This is old news, but the debate's decision is to combine "pop punk revival" into "pop punk". This was some time ago. This section can be archived or removed. Xsxex 19:19, August 24, 2006 (UTC)

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Admin, who Admin is here?

Looking for an admin in terms of pop punk articles, I want to help write the best articles possible but keep changing, as well as many users who do not use the talk page. Yes, this would be an article that is difficult to write and maintain but it is something I am willing to take the time. As you can see, I spent a lot of time writing comments and discussing points on the talk page. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Xsxex 17:36, August 8, 2006 (UTC)

Admin does not have more authority as an editor than anyone else. Here are some helpful links for custom admin things.

Checkuser
Sock puppet
Wikipedia: Administrator announcement board/Arbitration enforcement
Wikipedia: Request to move
Wikipedia: Request for page protection

I'm sure there are others I do not think about. If nothing covers it, and this is an administrative rather than an editorial issue, try one of the following:

Wikipedia: Administrator announcement board
Wikipedia: Announcement Board/Administrator Incident

Jmabel | Talk 03:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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Punk punk

There used to be a "funny punk" article, but now it's gone. I'm not saying it's a well referenced article, but it adds an interesting view to punk. It desperately needs more work. Yes it's a good thing that Honky punk is still there. Xsxex 17:42, August 8, 2006 (UTC)

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Aiden

Hi there. I have a tough dispute in Aiden's article. Maybe some people from this wikiproek can give their input. The band's official website calls them Horror Rock. However, their music is very different from the definition of Horror Rock on wikipedia. The dispute concerns whether or not to mention the genre at all, and if so how to pronounce it in a neutral way. Thank you for your help! --EndlessVince 19:51, August 20, 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, does pop punk accurately describe parts of their sounds? articles seem to reflect that and we have used them in the section about punk pop that deals with the most contemporary sounds. thanks. Xsxex 14:16, August 24, 2006 (UTC)

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Stub template

I think the project page needs to determine the template (s) the user can use on articles that are punk topics. One example I found was {{US-punk-band-stub}}. Ido50 13:30, August 21, 2006 (UTC)

neo punk

Move the following two bullets from the project page: - Xinit 23:37, August 25, 2006 (UTC)

- Neo punk? Come on guys. Oh yeah, what about the naughty boy? Let's get a strong reference for this or say goodbye to them. Xsxex 19:14, August 24, 2006 (UTC)
  - I read this article a while ago. I had never heard of neo punk before, but I cleaned the article because it was horrible. I have doubts about the existence of such genres, but Jello Biafra actually uses them in an interview with punknews.org, so I am confused. - Ido50 21:01, August 25, 2006 (UTC)

Music proposal WikiProject Punk

Hi. After looking at Hip hop WikiProject and was so impressed with it, I decided to propose layouts and ideas similar to our project. You can view the project pages I proposed on my user page. Be sure to check the collaboration page there, which should include the current article, our current project will direct its work to bring it to the featured article status.

Please state your opinion about the proposal and whether it will replace the current project page. I believe it will make the project more organized and attract more participants. Please note that it's just a proposal and a few things in there are just suggestions, like Black Flag (band) being the current collaborative article, which I just put for the sake of demonstrations.

thanks. - Ido50 15:07, August 31, 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I'm all for that !!! Xsxex 04:24, September 1, 2006 (UTC)

Looks good man. - Reaper X 4:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Sex Pistols on FAR

Sex Pistols articles are currently being reviewed in selected articles, which means it may lose its superior status if not significantly improved. Oldelpaso 11:13, September 3, 2006 (UTC)

Deathrock

Deathrock requires a serious cut from its external links, and requires references to be analyzed and converted into the proper format. WesleyDodds 08:14, September 6, 2006 (UTC)

Bad Religion

Hi all. Having tried to bring a Bad Religion article to finish off lately, will appreciate more eyes on it. Thanks, m13b 14:03, October 19, 2006 (UTC)

Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing the master directory of existing WikiProjects to replace and update existing Wikipedia: WikiProject Council/Directory. WikiProjects is very important in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of being truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

User: Badbilltucker/Directory Culture,
User: Badbilltucker/Directory Culture 2,
User: Badbilltucker/Religious philosophy and directory,
User: Badbilltucker/Directory Sports,
User: Badbilltucker/Geographic Directory,
User: Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be re-heated to reflect its content more accurately)
User: Badbilltucker/Public history and directory, and
Users: Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make changes to the entry for your project that you want. There is also a portal directory, in User: B2T2/Portal, listing all existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portal or comment section of your entry in the directory. Three columns of assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for the use of both the project itself and for other projects. Having such a department will allow the project to more quickly and easily identify the most important articles and articles that most need improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project will benefit from the department that handles these things. It is my hope to have an existing directory replaced by an updated and improved version of the directory on November 1st. Please make whatever changes you want on the entry for your project before that. If you have any questions about this issue, please do not hesitate to contact me. thanks. B2T2 21:39, October 23, 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the correction has been lost. I've now inserted a new draft in the old directory page, so links should work better. I apologize for any confusion you may encounter. B2T2 00:25, October 24, 2006 (UTC)

Punk Culture

I've been working on articles about the temporary punk spaces (Che Cafe, The Smell, etc.) And I'm very interested in projects to document these spaces, squats, punk houses, and other DIY music venues along the way General DIY (zine, etc.). I think this should be a sub project of punk projects. How do people feel about this? Any suggestions or ideas? Hotdiggitydogs 22:19, October 25, 2006 (UTC)

I must say: not many households and squats of individuals deserve their own articles. I prefer to see this broken down only to squat and punk homes in certain cities (or maybe, in some cases, neighborhoods). Otherwise, we will descend to an unknowable level: at this level we will end up with an article about each of us and all our friends.

Also, for many things, verification will be very difficult. I can think of two punk houses in Seattle that will be easily documented (the home where The U-Men and The Look live, as well as Rob Morgan, then The Pudz and The Squirrels) and The Gits house). I can think of a dozen punk houses and other squats; some short-lived squats (more anarcho than punk) will have decent documentation because they are public, squat looks that make the sign out the window and attract the attention of the press; others, though, will be difficult to document from what is usually counted as a reliable source. - Jmabel | Talk 1:56, October 31, 2006 (UTC)

Removal Behind Enemy Lines (band)

An admin quickly removes the Behind Enemy Lines page to become an unfamiliar batil article. Am I the only one here who thinks that it does not happen? I mean, Aus-Rotten is very famous for the band's crust, and they're made up of most of the same members right? Uncontrolled Force ^{What do you want to say?} 06:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me now. In-line quotes may help prevent this in the future. - Jmabel | Talk 07:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Punk rock

Punk rock is present for featured article reviews. Detailed attention can be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain the excellent quality of this article. LuciferMorgan 00:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Geographic bias

As part of my cusade against the "edit wars genre" that annoys many band articles, I have made the following proposal in Wikipedia: WikiProject Musician # Genre of war and distinguish genre and style.
I really appreciate feedback on this proposal. I will strive to make this proposal work, and I appreciate every supporter in helping me do it. thanks. - Reaper X 01:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. At first, I hope to try to do this as part of Esperanza's proposal for the award weekend ending on Wikipedia Day, January 15th. However, some people have once again proposed the entire Esperanza to be removed, so it may not work. It is the intention of the Appreciation of Evening proposal to set aside the time given when the various individuals who have made important and significant contributions to the encyclopedia will be recognized and respected. I believe that, with some effort, this can still be done. My proposal is, by luck, trying to set various WikiProjects and other wikipedia entities to take part in bigger celebrities from its contributors that will take place in January, probably starting January 15, 2007. I have created another new subpage for myself ( my weakness, I'm worried) at User talk: Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would really appreciate any indication of the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or helpful in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:58, December 29, 2006 (UTC)

Input is required in Anarcho-punk and Straight edge

New users have contributed greatly to the anarcho-punk page and I want to know what others have to say about this edit. See the talk page where I go into more detail. For the straight edge, there is disagreement about whether or not avoid sexual promoscuity is the main principle of sXe, or only secondary. Again, look at the discussion page and the latest edits summaries. Uncontrolled Force ^{What do you want to say?} 2:05, January 7, 2007 (UTC)

Hey thar - cover of the post-punk Joy Division in particular.

I was wondering if you also covered post-punk bands. I asked in the wikiprek alternative music that the fun division fell under this project, even though you seem to have ignored it. Well maybe you should include them, because they are very important. - Unmarked comments previously added by TOMNORTHWALES (talk o contribs) 20:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

Merging street Punk pages with Oi!

Please contribute to the debate about this on the punk Street talk page. Hoponpop69 07:32, February 11, 2007 (UTC)

Better Badges

I started an article on Better Badges, which originated and then made most of the punk badges in 76-83, as well as printing a lot of fanzin. It was immediately removed. I have recovered it, but it is still in bad shape. If there are people, especially admins, who remember it will care to comment on the AfD page or contribute, it will be appreciated. Wwwhatsup 02:39, February 28, 2007 (UTC)

I successfully returned the article permanently. It definitely takes work. Wwwhatsup (talk) 11:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OMFG! Antisisme quickly removed!

To the barricade, to the barricade! Come out of molotov! OK, maybe I overreact, but Antischism is accelerated under CSD7. Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy? They are great in the crust scene. Heck, I have some of their stuff and I do not listen to the whole crust (more because of lack of access than others). Please well ask Users: Llama Men to reconsider. I have started their discussion thread. Ungovernable Force ^{Poll: Which text of religion should I read?} 08: 50, March 11, 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, that SD is really silly. Murderbike 03:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

1980 is a bad choice for cutoff

The phase 1/phase 2 groupings (as reflected in the list) were poorly presented by choosing 1980 as the year of separation. It's right in the middle of punk popularity in many areas, including Southern California. Why not choose 1986 or more, when punk seems to have run its course and bands today have not been formed? Gaohoyt 00:34, April 3, 2007 (UTC)

I would assume that different regions of the world are changing at different times. At least in England 1980 was a very important year in the rise of new punk/wave bands such as blondie and jam etc. --79.64.70.180 12:52, August 18, 2007 (UTC)

Add an article in d.b.s.

For anyone familiar with the punk rock band Vancouver, there are articles on db.s. now. Contribute if you can! - Twas Now (talk o contribs o e-mail) 11:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

metalcore

why is the "main artist" of metalcore changed? I think the former key bands are more appropriate.... who is judging and dimming? - Unmarked comments previously added by 84.220.116.152 (talk) 18:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Identify

The "punk" search on google is limited to wikipedia giving more than 26,000 articles. I'm not sure that all the articles related to this project have been found. Does anyone know how to search for articles that contain "punk" but do not have the wikiproek tag on their talk page? Gimme Dangers 18:25, May 23, 2007 (UTC)

some input

I just want to comment on the anarchy symbol above, is this to say that all punk is associated with anarchy? Or does anarchy begin with punk? (Although they prefer IMO, need to read about some Bakunin.Not been an honest anarchist since the 19th century, lol.) Anyway! I noticed on the tag they put on the punk rock talk page, it was a picture of a child with a mohawk pass. Lol, for a music article would not it be better to have someone play a guitar or something? Which is currently like saying "Yes, all punk rockers really have a college education." Social sciences, so they can back up their song points. Currently, the main thesis is "ANARCHY FOR EVERYONE, I WANNA DESTROY! ANARCHY ANARCHY ANARCHY!" Sorry if I offend anyone with my musings, just ask if there might be a better option!

I posted these photos. Not for some reason, I just put the first two pictures I see with connections to punk. If you have a better alternative, please post it here. thanks. # Ido50 ( talk to me), at 14:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I would think only a punker image playing a guitar would be a good thumb, and I'm not sure for the symbol of anarchy. Maybe we should not use symbols with so many political ideology associations at all? Just a recommendation.

In 1974 progressive rock bands (such as Roxy Music, Blondie, New York Dolls, Patty Smith, etc.) were influenced by Rock & Roll bands like Romones, the Knack, The Saints... this I will label proto-punk) integrated circuit distortion to electric guitars and synthesizers (non-Valve), along with those who only use synthesisers, bands such as Krafwerk (1974) or those who only use electric gutars currently labeled "New Wave". British media later called bands such as Punk rock (a derogatory term because they disliked it and because many players or followers dressed like hoods or prostitutes) first performed 'Sex Pistles' in 1976 which later claimed to be a new wave. The Cars was another band that performed New Wave in the 70s. Many new wave variations such as Plastic Punk (number of synthesizer voice equle with distorted focus like Tubeway Army with Gary Newman who became king of punk in the 70s; Debbie Harry of Blondie labeled Queen of punk in the 70s) Gothic punk (Siouxsie & the Banshees holds the Gothic queen, The Cure has a Gothic King then stitched: Robert Smith), the funky form of 'New wave' labeled 'New Romantic' in 1980. has a beat rock drum (several times faster) but unlike Rock & amp; Rolls usually do not have a high 'A' record. The same sound has recently been branded by serious names especially Electro-pop. - No previous signed comments added by 203.24.110.115 (talk)

New article

Spiral Scratch (EP), for your delicacy. I hope! Totnesmartin 19:49, June 28, 2007 (UTC)

Holy Battalion

The band is certainly quite important for their own articles. Why there is no? ZAchAtTacK 17:57, July 2, 2007 (UTC)

Because you have not written it yet. Sorry for correcting spelling; it's like a nail on the blackboard for me. --The danger of 20:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Surf punk

I created a recent article on surfing punk and wanted to get help from anyone who offered it. I write about a paragraph that is not very good, so help will be appreciated! Thank you! - Ghost bear < b> 616 00:36, July 3, 2007 (UTC)

Sumber

I do not know if anyone reads this page, ever, but someone has put up a lot of outdated Heartattack, MRR, and other zines here, which might be useful as sources (though I do not know if they will qualify as reliable or not).-- P4k 03:18, September 9, 2007 (UTC)

Possible genres created

Here is a list of punk genres from Wikipedia that seem to be neologisms and restrictions on source citations that I think should be removed:

Sour punch
Avant-punk
Cartoon punk
Punk Cider
Clockwork punk (removed via AFD, Feb. 13, 2007)
Fashioncore (removed via AFD, August 2, 2007)
Fastcore (merged into Thrashcore May 24, 2007)
Foxcore
Funkcore
Glam punk
Gypsy punk
Indie Punk (quickly deleted September 20, 2007 under WP: CSD # A7)
Jazz punk (deleted via expired PROD, August 30, 2007)
Melodic hardcore
Nardcore
Pronk (music)
Punk blues
Scottish punk gaelic
Scum punk on Wikipedia: Article to be removed/Scum punk (2nd nomination) (30th September 2007 - 5th October 2007) Delete
Surf punk (PROD 21 Sept, exp 26 Sept) - User: Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Taqwacore
Thrashcore

Please see all of this, edit them wisely, and tag them for deletion if necessary. WesleyDodds 22:28, December 6, 2006 (UTC)

Without looking at the article, I would say remain convinced fashioncore, as long as the article is about it being used as a slur as no band I know identifies in that way, hardcore melodies, and Taqwacore (analogous to Christian punk). Some of the others may be worth saving too. Uncontrollable Strength ^{What do you want to say?} 09:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I certainly see Avant-punk being used. It gets over 20,000 G-hits. Glam punk (what else would you call Mother Love Bone?) Got 144,000. Punkabilly (79,400 G-hits) and Thrashcore (88,600) are also terms I often hear. Punk acid should also not be controversial (221,000 G-hits). I do not go looking for others, they may be equally used, but these five I hear with a certain frequency. - Jmabel | Talk 06:40, December 14, 2006 (UTC)

Mother Love Bone is punk ?! My mom listened to them (and with extension, I've heard them too) and they never regard me as punk. Uncontrollable Strength ^{What do you want to say?} 06:44, December 14, 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I just go and listen to about a dozen of their songs and the only punkish thing at all for me is "Mindshaker Meltdown." Uncontrolled Force ^{What do you want to say?} 07:31, December 14, 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen it before? Or (remember "My mom listened to them") saw a movie about them? Beautiful punk in terms of their stage action. - Jmabel | Talk 04:42, December 18, 2006 (UTC)

Actually a better example of glam punk is Big in Japan. - Jmabel | Talk 04:44, December 18, 2006 (UTC)

Nardcore is just about a regional scene, so it has a lot of rights to exist like for example Phoenix hardcore. Fastcore, Gypsy punk, and punk Scum are all terms I've seen outside of Wikipedia, for anything of value. P4k 12:37, January 8, 2007 (UTC)

I can certainly guarantee Punk Acid, avant-punk, glam punk, melodic hardcore and punk punk. Clockwork punk is the best compilation name of The Adict, but I do not know it is used as a genre (more fashion styles if any). Nardcore is (is?) A scene, and should be fixed. I created a funkcore article because I worked with a band like that at the time, and it's just under 20,000 Ghits and German Wikipedia articles. I am more familiar with it than avant-punk. ~ Swi tch ^t 14:59, January 21, 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad others are interested in weeding the created genre. I got the Jazz punk removed as well as several others, and I work to ensure that the only genre that is maintained is what can be sourced.

Hoponpop69 03:59, September 20, 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, some of these thrashcores and melodic hardcore, are actually quite well-known terms. Google search may support this.

Hoponpop69 04:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Terinspirasi oleh Jayne Mansfield?

There is reason to claim that the actress has a major influence on the genre and his followers, as implied here. However, this section requires a lot of development (context, general observations supported by sources, and more examples with verifiable citations). Can anyone lend a hand there? I have installed expert subject templates that point to this project. ^{(talk o contribs)} 08:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Punk Muslim

I see more and more articles on this topic on the internet. For example [1] Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:15, December 17, 2007 (UTC)

Another story. I see an article has started in Taqwacore. Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:32, December 29, 2007 (UTC)

Articles to delete: Megabeat

Megabeat on Wikipedia: Article for abolition/Megabeat (December 21, 2007)

- User: Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Punk metal switching for discussion

I want to make readers aware of this Redirect for discussion. Punk metal is now connected to metalcore articles. I think redirection should be removed because it is misleading. Punk metal is a much broader genre than metalcore, it's like directing food into spaghetti. Please send your comments here. Thank you! Kameejl ^(Speak) 19:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Need input on Punk rock

There are some issues with this article (flagship) when standing. One is the excessive use of fair use images, and the other is the abundance of unsupported student journalists' words like "seminal" (used four times and also quite listed in WP: PEACOCK as a word to avoid). Unfortunately an editor seems to be suffering from WP: OWN and so offended I mark the problem that he returned my change. I would be grateful for some of the broader inputs; the article really needs help in my opinion. --John 15:25, October 13, 2007 (UTC)

There must be some heads required in the discussion of the use of non-free images in the article. Currently key punk images, such as The Ramones' first album and Anarchy In The UK poster, are being removed due to a lack of consensus on its validity. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:38, December 31, 2007 (UTC)

Something request.

Hai,

I ask for help if I can. Half the better I do his dissertation on wikipedia and punk fanzines and similarities and differences (a very rough picture by me that). For that, he would like to interview some regular Wiki contributors to the punk side of the project, as well as some people who have made/edited past/current fanzines. If anyone wants to help, or can point me in the direction of anyone who can/will, me and his good self will appreciate it. If you need to contact me, just type a comment on my conversation page or reply to this.

Apologies for posting this here if this does not match

Cheers Drivenapart (bicara) 11:21, 19 Februari 2008 (UTC)

Sonics

Has played dates in 2008 (see [2]) but not mentioned in the article. I'm not knowledgeable enough to update here, so can anyone else? Exxolon (talk) 17:38, March 24, 2008 (UTC)

Hardline AfD

Hardline (subculture) to be removed. Important? Most (talk) 00:05, March 27, 2008 (UTC)

Joshua Plague AfD

Articles about Joshua Plague, singers for queercore bands like Mukilteo Fairies and Behead the Prophet, are for AfD here. Yilloslime ( t ) 00:45, April 1, 2008 (UTC)

Industrial Scare Red AFD

Red Scare Industries article for Wikipedia removal: Articles_for_deletion/Red_Scare_Industries here. Paulbrock (talk) 17:37, June 8, 2008 (UTC)

AfD: Halloween (demo)

Halloween (demo) by Napalm Death to be removed on Wikipedia: Article for abolition/Halloween (demo) (second nomination). - Scien tizzle 15:22, June 18, 2008 (UTC)

M.I.A. Afd

This article was removed because it was deleted on Wikipedia: Article for deletion/M.I.A. (band) (nomination 2) - again. Yes, it's hard to believe I know. Gaohoyt (talk) 16:40, July 27, 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Skullkrusher

Hello, all. Just found Skullkrusher's article, and can not see any clue of them meeting WP: MUSIC standard, or Google did not reveal anything. Anyone have input for their notation, or should I pay it? --Stormie (talk) 09:45, 1st August 2008 (UTC)

Articles tagged for cleanup

Currently, 468 articles are assigned to this project, of which 164, or 35.0%, are marked for cleaning of some types. (Data as of July 14, 2008.) Are you interested to know more? I offer to make a list of things to do on a project or working group level. View User: B. Wolterding/Cleanup List for details. Over 150 projects and workgroups have subscribed, and adding subscriptions to you is easy - just place the template on your project page.

If you would like to respond to this canned message, please do so on my user talk page; I am not watching this page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Psychobilly

I'm currently lobbying for some consistency of the music genre, especially with regard to how short the original part of the style is. I mean, pop music articles contain five genres (folk, jazz, R & B, rock and roll/rock, and traditional pop), which is an entirely acceptable summary of its origins. Heavy metal music, renowned for its sub-category of all kinds of regional scenes, lists only two (Blues-rock & psychedelic rock). Again, if you look at the history of the Sabbath, Hawkwind, etc., this makes sense. But - gah! - psychobilly articles have eighteen (18), mostly overlapping (heavy metal and speed metal? punk rock, hardcore punk and street punk?) i know music reach this is the point where everyone takes some inspiration from others, but, that's a silly way to show it. Li'l help here? 24.3.14.157 (talk) 14:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Disturbance (band)

This article has been nominated for deletion. Currently not marked as associated with this project, but supposedly, became one of the early early 80s British punk bands. I have done what I can to improve the article - further improvements will be accepted, such as contributions to discussion of deletion. Thank you.-- Michig (talk) 12:07, October 9, 2008 (UTC)

I can not see why it should be deleted. I commented on the removal page, hoping the discussion could be closed soon. # Ido50 ( talk to me), at 15:19, October 9, 2008 (UTC)

Genres in infobox

There is currently an important discussion about the removal of genre fields in bands and album infoboxes. You can read the discussion on Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Music # Time to delete genre section in info box? and give you any opinion you may have. WesleyDodds (talk) at 10:27, October 10, 2008 (UTC).

Thanks, did not realize that. # Ido50 ( talk to me), at 21:12, October 11, 2008 (UTC)

Punknews

Hello, is there a consensus as to whether Punknews can be used as a reliable resource for articles within the scope of this project? Aurum ore (talk) 02:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it can be used, after it's been around for a long time, updated daily, or even hourly, it's already known in community and punk bands, and at least for me it's the only source for punk news... # Ido50 ( talk to me), at 15:21, October 9, 2008 (UTC)

I use punknews as a fairly regular source, as they include a number of actions whose articles I edit. The news bits on this site are submitted by readers, but they are reviewed and fact-checked by the site's staff (usually by contacting the record label to see if it is true). They also have a number of non-news features such as reviews. Again, some of them are submitted by users but others are written by site staff (their reviews are tagged with "staff" tags so you can distinguish them from user reviews). Punknews is quite regarded as a trusted source in the alternative punk/music community. Scott Heisel, who was editor of punknews, later became the Music Editor for Alternative Press. So yes, I think punknews escaped as a reliable source, certainly for news and all the reviews written by their staff. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It was raised on Wikipedia: Article for removal/Red Scare Industries. Someone claimed "Punknews.org is not a reliable source, because it is a user-generated site without significant editorial oversight (hence" send news "links at the top of the page and unrelated news." Hoponpop69 (talk) 02: 08 , November 8, 2008 (UTC)

I used to be at the stall for a while and even contributed some news. There is actually editorial supervision. Users send news, but they are asked to provide a source in the form of links, and news editors then check the information with the artist or record label before the news item is posted. Users can send news items, but they can not post them. There is a substantial difference. Therefore, on news items submitted by users, you will see under the title: "sent by & lt; user & gt;, posted by & lt; editor/admin & gt;". From their FAQ: "We try to get confirmation of the big news before we post it, so we'll keep the articles in line when we wait for the band or label to confirm. We also tend to have smaller news (links, mp3s etc.) and merge them into in larger stories every week. "You can see from our About page that they have a news editor responsible for confirming news items submitted and editing them before they are posted. They also have a team of writers, editors, and interviewers of volunteer staff, and some of their past staff (such as Scott Heisel, as mentioned above) have proceeded to higher profile writing jobs for other music publications. I have found the site to be one of the most reliable sources for news about artists related to punk, laregely because of editorial oversight and the fact that they have a close relationship with many record labels and therefore can confirm and check their facts of news before being published. Therefore, they meet Wikipedia criteria to be verified as "a trusted third-party source, issued with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." --IllaZilla (talk) 02:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

So does that mean Redscare article should be re-created? Hoponpop69 (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it depends on how much coverage it receives in the source. If there are multiple sources that provide siginficant coverage to labels (not just labels on label... label itself) then I would say it enough. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Major project changes: November 2008

Hello, all. Over the past few weeks I've been working on major changes from WikiProject, including a number of improvements designed to keep projects moving forward and give us tools to be as effective as possible. Basically I do this because the project seems to have been relatively inactive lately, and some articles related to punk have appeared in AfD which fortunately I can save but that I think could benefit from some collaboration by the project but I do not think that the project really has the tools needed to track such things. Bottom line: I tried to light a fire below us and gave us the tools we needed to really improve the article. You may have noticed the main redesigned project page. Here are some other big changes:

We now have an Assessment Department to rate articles by class and importance. You'll notice that the editorial team 1.0 bot will automatically update the article tables every 3-5 days. This is something I do not believe we do not have yet, because this is one of the most useful tools for any wikiproek. However, its utility depends entirely on the editor that fills the "class" and "interests" fields in the project template when tagging the article, so be sure to do so! I have created all the necessary categories, so it is ready to go (again, something I do not believe... most of the categories do not exist even though there are articles that have been marked to be in them.) Once I create them I find them the most instantly popular ).
Previous "collaboration" pages have been Collaboration this week. The idea is for us to focus on different articles every week, thus spurring us to improve the articles that really need them. Of course it does not work unless people nominate the article to become CotW, so go up!
The page has to be changed, and there's a lot of stuff in it that needs attention. Some tasks are pretty stale, so look and update if necessary.
I'm working on a Style manual to provide some comprehensive guidelines for different types of articles. It should be more or less complete in the next few days, but feel free to see it now and make suggestions.

What to do

With these new tools there are some tasks that require attention from project members:

We have to reduce the category: Punk Takkab and Category: Punk music articles are not important. Of the 506 articles that are currently part of the project, 481 have not been assessed for class or interest. For those who do math, that means only about 5% of our articles have been assessed. To help with this, go to either category, select some articles, and see them all. Then go to their talk page and replace the old version of the project template with the updated - {{Wikiproject Punk music | class = | important =}} - populate the "class" and "interests" fields according to the new scoring scale. This is a big task, but with enough editors involved, it does not take long to get past the backlog.
Add new articles to the project by marking their talk page with the project template. Remember to fill classes and key areas according to the rating scale, otherwise they will be added to the categories that are not assessed. As you browse Wikipedia, whenever you find a punk related article that is not yet part of the project, add it !!
Take a look at the What to do and help with some of the tasks listed there. There are a number of old assignments that are still listed. If it's been handled, remove it from the list.
Encourage a new editor to join the project. You can do this by placing one of our new welcome templates on their talk page. Use {{subst: Punkmusicwelcome}} for new users like anons and new accounts, or {{subst: Punkmusicwelcome-E}} for more experienced editors. The more members we have, the more effective we are as projects.

That's it for now. The next step is to hold the absence to find out how many active members of the project we have today. I thought I would do it... now. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Combine Wikiproject New Wave into this?

WP: NEWWAVE has been inactive for a while and is now even marked as history. Given the updated activity in WP: PUNK, what about this one project, given that New Wave is a punk rock sub-genre? indopug (talk) 05:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What is it? I admit it's been a while since I read a lot about new waves, but I certainly never considered it a punk rock subgenre. It has some roots in punk rock, maybe, but I never considered it a subgenre. I mean, I can see how artists like The Police or Elvis Costello come from punk backgrounds, but if we talk about music known as "new wave" (eg The Cure, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Depeche Mode, etc..) So I think we're talking about something different and not really within the scope of "punk rock" (more in the scope of pop music). This is all in the early eighties, and the things I hope we will discuss from that time period will be more leaning towards hardcore punk, psychobilly, etc. I am open to the idea. Better than letting the article languish under dead projects. Anyone have thoughts? --IllaZilla (talk) 06:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a punk form. In fact, "punk" and "New Wave" are synonymous at first. Legend has it that the term was coined by Seymour Stein on Sire Records in the late 1970s when he realized radio did not accept Talking Heads because they were called "punk", so he came up with different terms to describe them, which eventually got them played. Shortly thereafter, Stiff Records uses it a little in their marketing, especially with Elvis Costello. Although puritan streaks that often manifest in genre fans, punk is quite diverse, especially in the New Wave/post-punk era. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, the fun fact: Duran Duran initially imagined themselves as "Sex Pistols meets Chic". WesleyDodds (talk) 06:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I get the impression "New Wave" is just a term created by the music industry while trying to "embrace" the punk movement and thus make it irrelevant. # Ido50 ( talk to me), at 12:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

In a sense, yes, after the fact. But I doubt their thinking is "We want to make punk irrelevant!" At that time, some punk/New Wave bands were just fine called New Wave. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

While New Wave and post-punk were eventually archived under the punk genre, given their extent (and the fact that the genre ended including bands like Madness, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, The Cure, and U2), and especially the fact that

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